Why no Pony cars allowed in NSS?

[cobrajet2]

Just curious. I can understand you have to draw the line somewhere in order to keep the class Nostalgic and maintain that Old School "feel." And I love the old stuff as much as the next guy. But I also think a '68 Winternationals Cobra Jet Mustang is a very Nostalgic Stocker. Is it the multiple carb thing?

I understand not wanting to dilute the car pool, but would it be so terrible to allow '68-'70 Mustangs, Challengers, Firebirds, etc? '68 and '69 AMX's are acceptable and I have seen '68/'69 Barracudas race in the class.

My problem is that I have a "fast enough," '70 Mustang that I would love to put some Cragars on the front, and some steel wheel mounted slicks on the back and come out and race at an NSS event.

Again, just curious.

Mike

[Dave Schultz]

I don't know the full answer -- but I do know:

There are no 70 anything in NSS -- as that was the year of ProStock and Funny car.

The 68/69 Hemi Dart/Cuda are the only Mopars in NSS. 67 is that last year of B-Bodys.

The AMX was approved and caused a major stink when it happened. I wasn't there when it happened -- but have heard the stories. I was told that it was because the guy with the MAX was in failing health and it was a favor to him.

I believe that originally -- NSS was only suppose to be the full-size cars -- and then Chevelles and Darts crept in, finally the AMX -- and finally a line was drawn.

Again, I've only been following/running NSS for 7 years and I haven't seen one more model allowed in in that time. There was another organization that allowed a Mustang (because the organizer's customer had a Mustang) -- and when announced about half the NSS cars didn't show up and the organization folded shortly afterward.

[fugly]

Youtr mustang would probably fit NMC (Nostalgia Muscle Car) , if not open comp will work

[poppaj]

Pretty sure they allow 68-69 cuda's with wedge motors. Doug Duell's 68' comes to mind. The cobra jet mustangs and the 427 camaro's would be cool but it would end up with somebody trying to enter a 2400# big block camaro that could loaf down the track and run 9.00

[texoutsider]

We have been thru this over and over. The answer is easy.......run the car in NMC or Open Comp like Damon stated........We have bastardized the NSS class enough already.

If anyone wants to run NSS or F/X.........simple solution.......Read the Rules and then build or buy a car that meets the rules. PERIOD

M.

[bobmosher]

Mike, thanks for the interest in NSS, good questions. First, I agree with all that has been said above, been there done that. Second, you mentioned a 68 CJ as a candidate then proceeded to suggest your 70 car. We need to keep the cars bodys, scoops, intake unique otherwise its just another bracket race with 2500 lb. whatevers. This uniqueness is whats promotable for the track and association owners for the Nostalgia type events. Its not that we are snooty, its just our brand or business model. Hope to see you at one of the events.

[torquer]

Have to agree with Mark as one that has been down this road in person. I started racing with NSCA in 99 and saw the NSS cars and wanted to run with them. My car was a 68 and I didn't see why I could not run it as the drive train was the same but the body was different. I appealed the powers that be to no avail. I was running in NMC and having a great time but just wanted to be with the NSS guys. So over the winter of 2000/01 I built a 67 that was legal and the rest is history. Yes it would have been easy for me to have got a rule change, but now I appreciate them not changing. I built a better car and was able to win a World Championship with it. I'd only had 2 runner-ups with the old one.

As for the Mustang, I was almost sucked up in that as a sponsor was going to furnish me a 750/800 hp engine and help me with the rest of the car if I would switch to Ford. Being a dummy for going fast I was all for it but as Mark said the org. folded before I got into that.

All I got to say as a person on the committee for the rules, is leave a good thing alone. I think you only have to look at the past Monster race in St. Louis for your answer.
Jim Netherland
7012 B?NSS

[danbell]

Another thing too,this class was designed for "big cars",all of which have a wheelbase of 115" or more,which Fairlane/Comet(66/7),Chevelle,Skylark,Cutlass,LeMans(GTO)(65/67) all have.

"Pony cars" on the other hand have a WB,108" or less,and in general are much lighter.

As for the Hemi 'Cudas,and Darts,they start on a 9.75 index,C/FX.There are some 64/5 Falcons,and Comets running,but they too start on the 9.75 index,or faster.

Like the majority of NSS racers,don't fix it if it aint broken,it's worked well for the last 10/15 years,no need to change.

[dennish]

The 68/69 Hemi Dart/Cuda are the only Mopars in NSS. 67 is that last year of B-Bodys.

I certainly hope not. What org. rules are you referring too? Not the NMCA's, because that would shoot my plans all too hell.

Dennis

[fugly]

One only needs to read the rules ad one will have the answers....not trying to be a smartass here, but they are readily available here:
www.nssracing.com/nssna-rules/

IN answer to your car , see highlighted area
•AMC AMX: 1968 – 1969; 390
•Chevrolet Full Bodied: 1959-64;348 & 409s, Z11 427
•Chevrolet Full Bodied: 1965-67;396-454
•Chevrolet Chevelle: 1964 – 1967; 396-454
•Pontiac Full Bodied: 1959-67;389-455
•Tempest/GTO: 1962-67;389-455
•Ford Full Bodied: 1959-67;390-427
•Ford Thunderbolt: 1964;427
•Fairlane/Comet/Cyclone/Falcon: 1963-67;427
•Dodge/Plymouth Full Bodied: 1960-67;383-440 wedge
•Dodge/Plymouth Full Bodied: 1964-67;Hemi
•Buick Full Bodied: 1960-67;401-455
•Skylark GS: 1964-67;400-401-455
•Oldsmobile Full Bodied: 1960-67;394-400-455
•Cutlass/442: 1964-67;400-455
•Dart/Barracuda: 1967-69;383-440
•Dart/Barracuda: 1968;426 Hemi
I am in full agreement with Mark and Jim, especially if you are building....read the rules , ask questions to clarify if need be and build it to fit .just my 2 cents

[dennish]

One only needs to read the rules ad one will have the answers....not trying to be a smartass here, but they are readily available here:

I assume you were referring to me. I have read the rules, I was just trying to clarify some unintentional misinformation.

Dennis

[fugly]

it seemed like the Dart question was not answered fully, wasn't meant to be condescending-just seemed you were not sure about the Dart being legal. Mark (texoutsider) builds NSS cars routinely and many of my engines and carbs are for that series- pay particular attention to Mark's answer about commas, etc- the rules are a bit vague if not studied and this can be an advantage.....

[Dave Schultz]

Damon -- where the confusion comes from is that I in on e sentence said the Hemi Darts/Cudas were that only Mopars in 68-69 instead of saying Big Block Darts/Cudas. Dennis is building a Wedge Dart and it is legal and there are many running lately.

Al Corda gave up his 64 Plymouth for a Dart and Doug Duell's car is a 68 Cuda with a wedge.

[dennish]

wasn't meant to be condescending-

I didn't take it like that, sorry if I caused any confusion.

This is going to be my first real race car, and I am going to have lots of questions about it and the class. Be patient with me if I ask some obvious stuff, and I will be able to see you all at the track, hopefully next year.

Dennis

[cobrajet2]

Thanks for the responses, guys. Again, I was just curious. Not trying to change anything. I have a '67 Fairlane, but it has a long way to go to get to NSS.

Thanks,
Mike